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Sunni are the ones that follow the ways of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.
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Hello all
fine bro but at least right the name Allah, and when the name Allah then we should say "Subhanahu Wa Talaa"
so it sould go like this in Mohammad or any other prophet is mentione
Mohammad "Salla Allah (Sunahanahu Wa Talaa) Allaihi"
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Ibrahim "Salla Allah (Sunahanahu Wa Talaa) Allaihi"
I donlt agree that Allah Sallam Alaihi becase the verse says "Sallimu Allaihi Taslima", i.e. it is us who do the Taslim not Allah
Just my 2c
Take care all
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Salam Bro,
Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) this is something I was taught at school and at that time there were only two beliefs which were apparent in our society suni/shia. Im sure nowadays if you blame/ask anyone about SAW they will certainly say, oooo! this is not us but xyz group who says so.
The people who call themselves well educated have made muslims a football and islam a football field. Whoever wants and whereever they want, they just kick the ball 
Btw, A stands for Allah and the other S,W (SAW) ??
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Hello all
fine bro but at least we should write the name Allah, and when the name Allah is mentioned then we should say "Subhanahu Wa Talaa"
so it sould go like this if Mohammad or any other prophet is mentioned
Mohammad "Salla Allah (Sunahanahu Wa Talaa) Allaihi"
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Ibrahim "Salla Allah (Sunahanahu Wa Talaa) Allaihi"
I don't agree that Allah Sallam Alaihi becase the verse says "Sallimu Allaihi Taslima", i.e. it is us who do the Taslim not Allah
Just my 2c
Take care all
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explain to me the last sentence. please.
Well for the Sala Allaahi alayhi wa sallam, we have to know did the companions of the Prophet respect him this way, and did the Prophet objected on this or not.
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Well, i know the Prophet was Rasoolallaah, and thats why i like the best to be use.
Just want to know the acceptability of this, or is this an innovation
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When i was young someone told me please tell the Sala Allaah alayhi wa sallam everytime you hear the name of Prophet otherwise you will go to hell fire.
But then it was blind follow, i will probably try to look more into it. Thanks brother.
Please do explain to me also are the non-muslims allowed to enter Medina and Makkah.
I agree non-muslims are not allowed to enter within the boundary of the Holy Kaaba as mentioned in the Quran.
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okay frendz...i got 2 questions here:
1. 2 names are mentioned....right....but how does that amount to shirk?
2. what do peepz here think about [color = green]33:56[/color]....what does the verse imply?
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ahmedbahgat wrote:
I believe but not wrinting Allah name in full, they have put Mohammad in higher level
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also why I have to keep mentioning Mohammad name next to Allah name?
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ahmedbahgat wrote:
I believe but not wrinting Allah name in full, they have put Mohammad in higher level
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# okay...i see ur point there bro! but personally i m not sure if that's shirk!
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also why I have to keep mentioning Mohammad name next to Allah name?
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# yes....that's a good question bro...
i ve been thiking about 33:56 lately and i m not sure what to make of it...what do u think about it bro? (-:
# salam mate! (-:
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ahmedbahgat wrote:
Ok bro let me rephrase my claim then
I believe their action of prasing Mohammad along with Allah is motivated by their shirk
for them to take laws from other humans like bukhari and abu hurairah is shirk therefore theiir action in excesivly praising mohamad is motivated by shirk
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I will look at 33:56 tomorrow inshallah
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# i appreciate that bro! (-:
# salam mate (-:
- Sat 10 Feb, 2007 1:03 am
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Salam Brother The
This issue is very complicated mate, let me start by saying the confusion is caused by the word Salla this word can be used literally or I should say commonly as to perform Salat, however the ritual Salat in the Quran was always mentioned using two words Aqam Al Salat, therefore the word Salla alone does not necessarily mean to perform the ritual Salat, the word Salla alone means to communicate, therefore any type of communication can be described using the word Salla, sort of being in touch, for example if you can imagine yourself talking to Allah (I'm sure it might have happened with you many times already) this can be described that you tussali to Allah (communicating with Allah), however if you are performing the ritual prayer then the words are you tuqim al Salat, when Allah respond back by granting a wish being asked by anyone then Allah salla on that person, i.e. Allah blessed that person, when the angels yusallo on a person then it means they are communicating with Allah seeking mercy and forgiveness for that person, If Allah grants mercy and forgiveness to that person, i.e. Allah replied to the angels communication, then Allah salla on that person, this is very important to understand before we look on the following 2 verses:
Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.
[The Quran ; 33:56]
إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا (56)
-> Verse 33:56 can be divided in two issues : إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَمَلَائِكَتَهُ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى النَّبِيِّ, Ina Allah Wa Malaakatihu Yussaloon Ala Al Nabi, translated by Shakir as Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet;, that is wrong as far as I believe, you have to also know that this sentence caused a huge conflict with all Mufasirs, because they wondered how Allah join another creature with Him to perform the same verb?, it is very valid point indeed, some suggested that the verb Yussalli for Allah was omitted by Allah as sort of language balagha, i.e. it should be Ina Allah YUSSALI wa Malaakatihu Yussaloon Ala Al Nabi, I.e. each entity has its own verb, but this will be heavy to read so under the language balagha they say Allah omitted His verb as to be logically understood
-> Regardless of the above we have the verb Yussalli that is performed by Allah and by the angels regarding the prophet, therefore it does not mean the ritual salat because we don't read the word Yuqim, so the omitted verb Yussali for Allah means sends His blessings to the prophet and for the angels it means they seek mercy and forgiveness for the prophet, actually I don't think that the angels can bless any one, or what do you think?
Btw I'm not inventing the above, I read all tafsirs and selected the best of their Qawls (many btw) as the Quran advised me to do
After finalising this issue of the first half of 33:56, I have to stress that the communication Allah and the angels do regarding the prophet is also done to all believers by Allah and His angels, let's look at the verse before I discuss the second half of 33:56, amazingly the other verse is in the same sura, it is verse 33:43,
He it is Who sends His blessings on you, and (so do) His angels, that He may bring you forth out of utter darkness into the light; and He is Merciful to the believers.
[The Quran ; 33:43]
هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَلِّي عَلَيْكُمْ وَمَلَائِكَتُهُ لِيُخْرِجَكُم مِّنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ وَكَانَ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَحِيمًا (43)
-> See : هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَلِّي عَلَيْكُمْ وَمَلَائِكَتُهُ, Hua Allazy Yusalli Alaikum Wa Malakaatuhu, translated by Shakir as He it is Who sends His blessings on you, and (so do) His angels,, see how the verb Yasaloon for the angels is the one that is omitted this time and only the verb Yusalli by Allah is mentioned?, this is really cool bro, again it should mean that Allah sends His blessings to all of us Yusalli on the believers as He does with Mohammad, while the angels seek mercy and forgiveness to us Yusallo on the believers as they do to Mohammad, from 33:43 and 33:56, it is proven that all believers and the prophet are equal in regard to the communication by Allah and the angels, I.e. the prophet is not unique that Allah and the angels Yussalu on him because it is done also to all of us (the believers)
Let's now go back to the second half of 33:56 and see what it means:
-> يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا صَلُّوا عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا , Ya Ayuha Al lazin Amanu Sallo Alahihi Wa Salimu Taslima, translated by Shakir as O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation., obviously the verse is covering two periods, when the prophet was alive and when he is dead (now), when we Nussali on Muhammad it means that we should seek Allah forgiveness, blessings to him as translated by shakir, but that does not mean that we can't so the same to the other prophets, in fact if Allah ordered us not to make any distinction between the prophets then we should Nussali on all of them, i.e. we seek Allah blessings, forgiveness and mercy for all of them equally, it is not conclusive that 33:56 means we should only do it to Mohammad, in fact Mohammad was referred to as Nabi, I.e. i.e. we can Nussali on any Nabi the exact same, remember that Allah and His angels do the same for all believers, therefore I believe the sunni got it totally wrong by saying in order to Nussali on Mohammad we need to recite the words Salla Allah Ala Mohammad, it males no sense mate, if we do the right thing then it means that we seek mercy, forgiveness and blessings to him from Allah and we should also do the same with all Anbiaa
Regarding the Salam Alaihi, I believe that Salimu Taslima is a stress to perform a proper greeting, and this can apply to meeting him personally or possibly when visiting his grave, this can be simply done by saying Asalam Alaika Ya Rasool Allah, it makes no sense that we say Allah Salam Ala Mohammad because this is a mere fact and we don't do any salam on Mohammad rather boasting that Allah did it to Mohammad
I hope this might help, It actually helped me clarify a couple of very important issues
Take care mate
- Sat 10 Feb, 2007 7:21 am
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Hello bros
I Think there is slight mistake in my comment, i discovered it before i went to bed last night
to Say Allahuma Sally Ala Mohammad, is not wrong at all, because it means we asking Allah to bless Mohammad, exactly as Allah told us
I started to believe last night that there is nothing wrong at all in saying 'Allahuma Sally Ala Mohammad", this is a wish or Dawa that Allah sends His blessings upon Mohammad
what I believe it not 100% right is to say "Salla Allah Alaihi Wa sallam" because it does not constitute a Dawa for Allah to bless the prophet
Salam all
- Sun 11 Feb, 2007 6:19 am
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# thanks for the post bro....i m sure it will be of help! hopefully i ll try to give my own take...if at all it is different from urs! (-:
# salam! (-:
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