AhmedBahgat wrote:
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Baal
do you agree that the verse says to beat the ill conduct ones?
if you agree then, end of discussion
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Baal wrote:
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See How Allah's Plan is Complete
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Baal wrote:
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I do not agree verse 4:34 is just about beating the ill conduct ones.
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Baal wrote:
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The verse said "Fear Discord"
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Baal wrote:
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, so the wife does not even need to actually do 'ill conduct'.
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Baal wrote:
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Then there is no Steps to follow.
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Baal wrote:
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She will get talked to AND her bed is empty AND she is beaten up over and over and over until she returns to 'obedience'.
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Baal wrote:
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And if her husband leaves marks on her face, because bruises just happen when you beat someone, then the solution is simple, somewhere else in the islamic system, will make sure her face is covered and the bruises are covered for a duration until they heal, and no one from the Umma is wiser. For the record most domestic abuse is discovered from the bruises on the woman. Her arms, her legs as well as her face.
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Baal wrote:
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Now the gap of 'ill conduct' between 'fearing discord' and 'returning to obedience' is too wide. It includes beating a wife for refusing sex.
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Baal wrote:
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You and me both know how the mind of men work,
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Baal wrote:
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how can an ilah permit men such a sin in his text?
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Baal wrote:
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That ilah is not giving a ruling.
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Baal wrote:
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That ilah is giving a bribe by giving his male enforcers control over the female reproduction system.
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Baal wrote:
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So a husband can beat his wife if she refuses to give access to the reproductive system,
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Baal wrote:
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if the husband exceeds he gets her to cover up,
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Baal wrote:
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all is good in the Umma, many many children are born, education lacks, poverty is abundant, parents are too busy to keep the place and the minds of the children clean. Violence & fundamentalism increase. Blame it on the joos, americans, russians, pixies. Blame it on any evil person that exists on the planet except ourselves. Poor Girls are married young and the cycle starts over.
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Here is my slam dunk mate:
Salam
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