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AhmedBahgat wrote:
I checked your file, unfortinatly it is missing over 8000 words, for example check those IDs, 1731 and 1732, there should be three words missing in between, so I cannot use it


I Disagree,

All the words in the Access file came from openburhan. Its as if Open burhan displays arabic words from this.

And I have verified 1731 and 1732 with online openburhan. It matches exactly. Please you to verify it.

I think if you copy all the verse from openburhan or if you use this access file , Both results will be exactly same. Unless both have missing words.
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QuranandScience wrote:
AhmedBahgat wrote:
I checked your file, unfortinatly it is missing over 8000 words, for example check those IDs, 1731 and 1732, there should be three words missing in between, so I cannot use it


I Disagree,

All the words in the Access file came from openburhan. Its as if Open burhan displays arabic words from this.

And I have verified 1731 and 1732 with online openburhan. It matches exactly. Please you to verify it.

I think if you copy all the verse from openburhan or if you use this access file , Both results will be exactly same. Unless both have missing words.



mate, what the hell are you talking about?

I can confirm this with my eyes closed, let's have a look:

Here is verse 2:102 word by word as in open Burhan file:


ID Surah Verse WordNo Arabic
1725 2 102 1 واتبعوا
1726 2 102 2 ما
1727 2 102 3 اتتلو
1728 2 102 4 الشياطين
1729 2 102 5 علي
1730 2 102 6 ملك
1731 2 102 7 سليمان


three words are missing


1732 2 102 11 ولكن
1733 2 102 12 الشياطين
1734 2 102 13 كفروا
1735 2 102 14 يعلمون
1736 2 102 15 الناس
1737 2 102 16 السحر
1738 2 102 17 وما
1739 2 102 18 انزل
1740 2 102 19 علي
1741 2 102 20 الملكين
1742 2 102 21 ببابل
1743 2 102 22 هاروت
1744 2 102 23 وماروت
1745 2 102 24 وما
1746 2 102 25 يعلمان
1747 2 102 26 من
1748 2 102 27 احد
1749 2 102 28 حتي
1750 2 102 29 يقولا
1751 2 102 30 انما
1752 2 102 31 نحن
1753 2 102 32 فتنة
1754 2 102 33 فلا
1755 2 102 34 تكفر
1756 2 102 35 فيتعلمون
1757 2 102 36 منهما
1758 2 102 37 ما
1759 2 102 38 يفرقون
1760 2 102 39 به
1761 2 102 40 بين
1762 2 102 41 المرء
1763 2 102 42 وزوجه
1764 2 102 43 وما
1765 2 102 44 هم
1766 2 102 45 بضارين
1767 2 102 46 به
1768 2 102 47 من
1769 2 102 48 احد
1770 2 102 49 الا
1771 2 102 50 باذن
1772 2 102 51 الله
1773 2 102 52 ويتعلمون
1774 2 102 53 ما
1775 2 102 54 يضرهم
1776 2 102 55 ولا
1777 2 102 56 ينفعهم
1778 2 102 57 ولقد
1779 2 102 58 علموا
1780 2 102 59 لمن
1781 2 102 60 اشتراه
1782 2 102 61 ما
1783 2 102 62 له
1784 2 102 63 في
1785 2 102 64 الاخرة
1786 2 102 65 من
1787 2 102 66 خلاق
1788 2 102 67 ولبئس
1789 2 102 68 ما
1790 2 102 69 شروا
1791 2 102 70 به
1792 2 102 71 انفسهم
1793 2 102 72 لو
1794 2 102 73 كانوا
1795 2 102 74 يعلمون


A total of 71 words

And here the same verse as parsed using my code:

ID SuraID VerseID ArabicWord
1729 2 102 وَاتَّبَعُوا
1730 2 102 مَا
1731 2 102 تَتْلُو
1732 2 102 الشَّيَاطِينُ
1733 2 102 عَلَىٰ
1734 2 102 مُلْكِ
1735 2 102 سُلَيْمَانَ
1736 2 102 وَمَا
1737 2 102 كَفَرَ
1738 2 102 سُلَيْمَانُ
1739 2 102 وَلَٰكِنَّ
1740 2 102 الشَّيَاطِينَ
1741 2 102 كَفَرُوا
1742 2 102 يُعَلِّمُونَ
1743 2 102 النَّاسَ
1744 2 102 السِّحْرَ
1745 2 102 وَمَا
1746 2 102 أُنْزِلَ
1747 2 102 عَلَى
1748 2 102 الْمَلَكَيْنِ
1749 2 102 بِبَابِلَ
1750 2 102 هَارُوتَ
1751 2 102 وَمَارُوتَ
1752 2 102 وَمَا
1753 2 102 يُعَلِّمَانِ
1754 2 102 مِنْ
1755 2 102 أَحَدٍ
1756 2 102 حَتَّىٰ
1757 2 102 يَقُولَا
1758 2 102 إِنَّمَا
1759 2 102 نَحْنُ
1760 2 102 فِتْنَةٌ
1761 2 102 فَلَا
1762 2 102 تَكْفُرْ
1763 2 102 فَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ
1764 2 102 مِنْهُمَا
1765 2 102 مَا
1766 2 102 يُفَرِّقُونَ
1767 2 102 بِهِ
1768 2 102 بَيْنَ
1769 2 102 الْمَرْءِ
1770 2 102 وَزَوْجِهِ
1771 2 102 وَمَا
1772 2 102 هُمْ
1773 2 102 بِضَارِّينَ
1774 2 102 بِهِ
1775 2 102 مِنْ
1776 2 102 أَحَدٍ
1777 2 102 إِلَّا
1778 2 102 بِإِذْنِ
1779 2 102 اللَّهِ
1780 2 102 وَيَتَعَلَّمُونَ
1781 2 102 مَا
1782 2 102 يَضُرُّهُمْ
1783 2 102 وَلَا
1784 2 102 يَنْفَعُهُمْ
1785 2 102 وَلَقَدْ
1786 2 102 عَلِمُوا
1787 2 102 لَمَنِ
1788 2 102 اشْتَرَاهُ
1789 2 102 مَا
1790 2 102 لَهُ
1791 2 102 فِي
1792 2 102 الْآخِرَةِ
1793 2 102 مِنْ
1794 2 102 خَلَاقٍ
1795 2 102 وَلَبِئْسَ
1796 2 102 مَا
1797 2 102 شَرَوْا
1798 2 102 بِهِ
1799 2 102 أَنْفُسَهُمْ
1800 2 102 لَوْ
1801 2 102 كَانُوا
1802 2 102 يَعْلَمُون


Total of 74 words, can you see the three words in red, they are not there in Burhan file, i.e. Burhan file is crooked and not accurate

Can you also see the word in blue, it is the wrong word in Burhan file, they added an Alif at the beggining while it should not be there

I know what i am talking about pal

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I am sorry , My source file is having those missing word, But due to some conversion to excel, I dont know how it missed in this file, I will investigate it tommorow and will give you the correct file.

Thanks for the verification.
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I am sorry , My source file is having those missing word, But due to some conversion to excel, I dont know how it missed in this file, I will investigate it tommorow and will give you the correct file.

Thanks for the verification.


No worries, if you can supply an accurate file it will be good to compare with what my code will come up with, this is to confirm the accuracy of both, remember that we are dealing with Allah words in here and we have to be 100% exact

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I have copied 1901 verses out of 6236 verses, these are the suras I did:

1, 4, 50-114

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I have spent a lot of time making this file, But i saved lot of time for manual copying.

This file contants 77659 words. And I believe these are all the words on openburhan website.

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Can you confirm the accuracy of this file?. I think it should be 100%
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Can you confirm the accuracy of this file?. I think it should be 100%


There is still some discrepency regarding the total in that file and the total I got when I used my code to parse, I did not have time to analyse and find out why but will do

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There is still some discrepency regarding the total in that file and the total I got when I used my code to parse, I did not have time to analyse and find out why but will do


I hope this number will be fine, because i have seen the no of insert statements in Openburhan sql file. It matches.
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I think you are little buzy,

I have used those 77659 words and written a script for joining and making verse.

You can download this file here. I have broken different surah's in different tables. you will know how to use it
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I think you are little buzy,

I have used those 77659 words and written a script for joining and making verse.

You can download this file here. I have broken different surah's in different tables. you will know how to use it
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Thanks mate, however I have finished copying the Arabic verses with no diacritical marks yestrday, I ended up doing all 6236 verses myself, my hands went numb but I was determined as well I did not allow the let downs of those whom I asked to help, to discourage me, I hope with every letter that I copied, Allah may reward me a hassnah for it, thousands it may be, and that is why I am not disappointed the slightest

The second file you passed on still missing over 8000 words, therefore I could not use it

I also added a word count Module, as well Letters count, this is awsome and will expose so many Muslims who promot conjectures without confirming it first, like the word Yawm that appeared 365 times, the fact of the matter though that it did not

Counting the letters is awsome, Access Quran does not ask for the letter to be counted rather it counts all letters regardless, of course within a recordset (some suras) that you chose

all in all, I believe Access Quran is the best Quran desktop tool that will be available on the planet

Version 2.5 will be released within 48 hours inshalllah

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Salam Q&S and All

Time for the new version of Access Quran, you should expect that with almost every version that I release, there will be truck load of new features, I am really enjoying every second I spend developing this awesome piece of software.

If you compare version 1.0 with the current version 2.5, you should notice a whole heap of differences, almost everyday I have new idea to add to Access Quran, most of these ideas can not really be achieved using MS Access features alone, you must write VBA code to get around such limitations, I will discuss in details as I explain the new features, this is the new Main Menu:

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As you can see I added 2 new features:

1) Word Count module
2) Browse Words (Not really new but moved from Arabic Quran screen to its own screen then overhauled)

I will explain those features later

One feature that has been added to the Main Menu, is adding a Shortcut key to each button, with this feature, you do not need to click on any button to open the relevant screen, but you may also press the underlined letter within each button caption, for example to open the Arabic Quran screen, you may simply press the key �?????�????�???�??�?�¢??A�?????�????�???�??�?�¢?? or �?????�????�???�??�?�¢??a�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??, it is not case sensitive, as well you do not need to hold down any other auxiliary button, like the Alt key for example, simply press the relevant underlined letter for each screen, it is far quicker than point and click with a mouse.

Also, in the top toolbar, I added shortcut to the Main Menu button, as well to the About Access Quran, however you need to hold the Alt key to activate such buttons while pressing the relevant underlined letter as seen in the toolbar.

One important routine was added to that toolbar button Main Menu, in previous versions if the user presses that button while having any other screen open, Access Quran will open the Main Menu while keeping any other screen that was opened, opened, this may have caused some confusion, therefore Access Quran will now close any opened screen before opening the Main Menu if that toolbar button is used by mistake during any Access Quran session .

I also added more options to control the environment of Access Quran, this is how the new options screen looks like:



I just added the options of Italic and Bold for both Arabic and English text

One big problem that I faced with Access Quran is the fact that only the Arabic text with diacritical marks are available on file, this will be useless if you want to search for a word, as the word with different vowel marks will be considered different words despite the fact that they are identical words, this is causing a lot of confusion on FFI web site, one of the goons in there (Ugly Tashit) thinks that alsamai and alsamaa, are different words because he can only read the transliteration due to his ignorance of course, the fact of the matter remains intact, that the diacritical marks at the end of any word can not change the meaning of that word, I agree however that the diacritical marks within the word and not at the ned of it, may change the meaning of the word.

Anyway, I had to get the Quran text without the diacritical marks, this is where word/letter count can only be accurate, so I had to face the tough fact that I have to copy all these verses one at a time (6236) from a web site where they post it without such marks for their search engine to work. It took me about 5 to 7 days, I just can�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t remember, very tough task if you ask me, but alhamdullelah it is all done, as well I created some logical code to confirm that the copy/paste manual process had no human error.

With the addition of the Arabic Quran without the DM, the Arabic Quran screen had to be overhauled, it does not look that it changed at all, btw:

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The major change above is the introduction if Include Diacritical Marks tick box, the Arabic Quran will start with the DM included, however you can simply remove it by un-ticking that checkbox, this is the same screen with the Include DM un-ticked:

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You may also notice a minor change, the button next to the Arabic/Letter drop down is now enabled, it was disabled with the DM included, this is very important because that button will open an Arabic Keyboard to type any word you want, and because with typing, you cannot have those marks, so, without the marks included, you may use the keyboard, this is how it looks like:

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You may practice on using this keyboard as it is not like a convential Arabic keyboard, rather Access Quran Arabic Keyboard, the letters in there are more than 28 as I have to include some variations of some letters to be able to type an exact word, you can navigate this keyboard without a mouse as follow:

1- Use the Arrow keys to move between the lettered buttons, then use the enter key to press the selected button
2- Use the backspace to backspace
3- Use the spacebar to add a space
4- Use the Esc key to close

The drop down of the Arabic words will reflect your choice of including the DM or not, i.e. you will get a list of the words without the marks if the tick box is not ticked and vice versa

All other features stay the same in this screen regardless you include the marks or not, also including or excluding the marks will work seamlessly with the current recordset you have in hand.

Now, for the new features, I would like to discuss the Browse Words feature, this is how it looks like:

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This is the feature that was activated from the Arabic Quran screen, however I moved it to the Main Menu as it should be a module on its own, this module is like looking at the Quran word for word and in the order of the words appearence, the screen starts with the defaults of including the Bismellah verses and not including the D marks, and as you can see that we have a total of 78193 words, however if you include the marks, you get a different total as seen below:

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A total of 78245 words, 52 words more than the total without the diacritical marks, this is due to the fact that parsing (separating) the words without the marks is different to separating the words with marks, for example if I jump to the last word (# 78245) in the above screen without the marks, I get the word وَالنَّاس , Wa Al Nas, see the mark on the Waw, that mark caused no space between the two words, hence appearing as one word, however if you look at the last word in the same screen without the marks (# 78193), you get this:

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Where the word was made into two words (that is the right way of course), what I explained above is not a general rule rather one of many that control the spaces between the words, therefore after parsing, you will never get the same total, hence the 52 discrepancy, such total discrepancy has nothing to do with the Quran accuracy however, all letters are the same if the marks are removed or not.

You may consider the above module as manual counting of the words, it will be best to double click any word while the marks are not included to get the real matching total, however you can still do it with the marks included but you will only get a total for that word and all its occurrences which have the same diacritical marks, this should make it really tough if you want to get a total of any word, as you need to add all the sub totals for the same word but with different marks, for example the following screen shows the total of the word النَّاسُ , Al-Nas with a Dummah mark at the end, i.e. Al-Nasu

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As you can see that we have 42 occurrences

However the total of the same word without marks الناس , is 183 as seen below:

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This means that the same word must have appeared 183 - 42 = 141 times with other diacritical marks

Counting with marks will only be useful if you want to know the total of any word with a specific mark, but that can not be considered as the total of the word occurrences by any mean.

Of course the above module is fiddly and needs someone who knows the Arabic words along with its diacritical marks very well to be able to use it, which is no good in my books, therefore it inspired me to design the Word Count module which I believe will be the main feature of Access Quran, I would have never been able to create it unless I have the Quran without diacritical marks, hence the tough work that I went through for days to be able to get it by copying/pasting one verse at a time, this is how the screen looks like:

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This is an amazing module, it took too much work and thoughts from my side, I have to debug it for hours by executing line by line in a code that is hundreds and hundreds of lines, let me explain the screen in great details

1- The top half is for your criteria, the bottom half is for the count results, however in the bottom half you may still interact with Access Quran by pressing the magnifier button next to the word count, only if you have a word count more than 0, will be detailed later


2- for the criteria part, firstly you need to select the suras you want to search
:


as you can see above I selected sura 1 & 2, same features of Access Quran apply:
a- Use the tab to navigate
b- Use the arrow keys for the spin button
c- Double click a sura to remove from list

Note, if you select no sura, then Access Quran will assume that you want to search all suras, therefore if you want to search the whole Quran, leave the list empty and Access Quran will add all 114 suras for you

3- for the criteria part, secondly you need to do any of the followings as seen in the following screen:


a- If you want to count a word, then select from list (use the Arabic Letter drop down to filter for words starting with such letter to make it easy to find it in the words drop down) or type a word using the Arabic Keyboard, the Keyboard in here has a new feature which was a must have:
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As you can see the Arabic Keyboard in here displays what you type, this is required as when the keyboard opens, it covers the text behind it and you won�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??t be able to see what you have typed so far, and as you can see that I typed the word Allah in Arabic of course, so when you close the Keyboard using the Esc key, you should see the word in there as seen below:
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b- You may choose to match exact word (which I selected as seen below)

c- You may include the Bismellah verses in the count (which I excluded as seen below)

d- You may chose to count the letters (which I included as seen below), all letters will be counted
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That�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s it, all you need to do now is press the Total Count button :


But before we do, I need to explain a couple of things regarding the criteria:

i- You must enter a word to be counted AND/OR count the letters, for example, you may only count letters within a recordset without counting any words, just leave the word field blank. Or vice verse. Or both together

ii- The progress bar will only appear if you choose to count the letters as counting letters is an intense task especially if you include the whole Quran, i.e. if you choose to count a word without counting letters, then no progress bar will appear and you should see the total very quick, but if you include counting the letters then the progress bar will appear. With the progress bar, it may look like it froze at a random percent, it actually never freeze, it is just too much number crunching which results that the CPU has no time to refresh the screen and move the progress bar, so if it happens, just be patient and in under a minute you should get your results, this is how long it takes on my 1.6GH laptop to count all the letters in the Quran: 40 seconds, despite it looked like it froze at 7%, it will just close when finished and you should see the results, this is not the case with the progress bar all the times, in fact many times you should see it progressing up to 100%, it just depends on how busy your CPU is and how many other applications you may have opened, but as I said you should get your results in under a minute.

Let me now go back to our example and find out how many word of Allah (exact match) in sura 1 and sura 2 (together) while counting all letters within these 2 suras:

The task took 5 seconds on my machine (this is because I included 2 suras only), and here are the results:

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Allah appeared (exact match) 217 times, and under that you have to total count for each letter in the Arabic alphabet as well a grand total for all letters

Now, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s test Access Quran accuracy by keeping the same criteria as is while including the Bismellah verse, we should expect that the word Allah must appear an additional 1 time (sura 1 Bismellah is part of the sura, while it is not for sura 2), i.e. there should be an additional 1 count of the word Allah (exact match) because Allah appears in the Bismellah of sura 2

Here are the new criteria:

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And here are the results:

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As you can see: 217 + 1 = 218

You can confirm the accuracy of Access Quran if you look at the count of the letter Alif

In the first example we had a count of 4741

Now the Bismellah has, 3 Alifs, i.e. 4741 + 3 = 4744 and that is the exact count we got for letter Alif when the Bismellah verses were included

Trust me guys, I have put too much work and thoughts to tackle every single problem I faced (tons of it) to make sure that it is 100% accurate

This should take us to last feature in this amazing module, the magnifier, to look at all verses where the word chosen to be counted appeared, again I have put a lot of work into this screen to make it easy for all to understand, I had to tackle some Access limitations to achieve the results I wanted, let me use the last example we have which showed us that the total number of the word Allah (exact match and including the Bismellah verses) was 218, let�?????�????�???�??�?�¢??s press the magnifier button next to the number 218, this is what you should get:

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Let me explain the above screen bit by bit:

1- This part shows you your criteria (read only)


2- This part shows you the total count of the word as well how many verses in which the word was found:


As seen above, in both sura 1 and sura 2 together, Allah appeared 218 times (exact match with Bismellah verses included) in 141 verses, this means that the word appeared more than once in many verses, which something I wanted to look clear for all, that resulted in tackling one of the worst Access limitations ever, let me explain:

Normally when you search for text in a document, you get the first occurrence highlighted, then by pressing F3 you get the second occurrence (if any) highlighted, and so on, with Access, this is not the case because we are not searching a document from the first place, rather we are searching RECORDS, you may consider each record as a document on its own, therefore in reality it is like we are searching many documents at once, therefore you will never get that feature of highlighting the matched text, and so on as you continue searching.

In Access, this how searching the records work:

a- Access does not highlight the matched text rather highlight the whole record, it is like you search a word document for a word and you get the whole words matching or not highlighted
b- Access does not care how many times the matching text appeared within the same record, 1 is like 100 and is considered one match, this is a very serious problem considering that the word may appear more than once in the same verse.

Now, with the help of Allah, I managed to make Access Quran search is like searching a word document, you will get the first result highlighted as seen 3 images above, then by pressing the Find next button seen in the image above, Access Quran will jump to the next occurrence even if it is in the same verse, then highlights it for you, how about that, I love it. A lot of work and logic though.

What I also added is a nice visual feature next to each verse, which looks like this:


The screen above shows the first two verses from the 141 verses, next to each verse to the right, is a white circle which has under it the total count for the word within this verse, you should expect that each verse must have a min count of 1, however any verse that has the word more than once, you will see the circle ticked as well the total count of the word within this verse, we know that under the example we used, Allah word must have appeared more than once in some verses, so let me scroll down the results until I see one:

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See above, the word appeared twice in the verse, with the first occurrence highlighted by Access Quran, now if we press the Find Next key or Alt+N, you should get the second occurrence which I red circled above, highlighted as seen below:

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This how great and accurate Access Quran is going to be for those who really want to study the Quran words

You may have noted that I also kept this part:

working as normal which will allow you to add note, bookmark, add tag, view tags and view the included translations for each verse.

One final thing left for me to do, which is to test the above module against the 19ers and the Submitters cults allegati0ons, regarding the lettered verses in 14 suras in the Quran, as far as I believe they claim that for any lettered sura, the total number for those letters combined must be dividable by 19, so without getting into the confusion they created regarding the letter Alif, I will select one of those suras that have the letters Ha Meem, and see what Access Quran will give us as a total for each letter then we add them and see if they are dividable by 19, I will try sura # 40

Here is the criteria and the results (I chose not to count any words, just letters, I did not include the Bismellah verses, however we will have another run with the Bismellah included):

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From the above, we have :

Ha letter count = 62
Meem letter count = 377

Total = 439

439/19 = 23.105263

Let me now include the Bismellah and see the results:

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Ha letter count = 64
Meem letter count = 380

Total = 444

444/19 = 23.368421

Which means, if that what those cults are telling us, then they are full of crap, possibly I am wrong and that is not what they mean by part of their invented code 19

Here is the latest version 2.50, I hope you enjoy and learn more about the Arabic Quran

http://free-islam.com/downloads/AccessQuranV2_5.zip

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Thanks for the bunch of features, and your efforts of copying all the verses manually.

I really liked all the new features you have added from On-screen keyboard to Browse Words module.

I think you created "Words and Letter Count Module" module only to prove 19ers wrong. I cannot think of any other use of this module. If this is the reason you created this module, then you should challenge some 19ers to prove your software wrong. If they are able or unable to refute your challenge, then your software will become really famous.

And as you tried word count of Yaum, you did not find 365, the reason might be because people count the Dual Words as 2 Days and some other reasons like that. Or could be the 365 word count theory is wrong, Which cannot be proved from this feature. Still there are many other uses of this "Browse Word Module"

Last time I have given a bunch of feedback, I dint find those changes in new version except few. Did you already made those changes or you have plans to do it.

Is it possible to include a feature which gives some description of each word like "Singular, Dual or Plural" , "masculine or Feminine". Because these are difficult to understand from English Translation. Just wondering if there is any logic in arabic language to find this or its without any logic.
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QuranandScience wrote:
Thanks for the bunch of features, and your efforts of copying all the verses manually.


No worries

QuranandScience wrote:

I really liked all the new features you have added from On-screen keyboard to Browse Words module.


Cool

QuranandScience wrote:

I think you created "Words and Letter Count Module" module only to prove 19ers wrong. I cannot think of any other use of this module. If this is the reason you created this module, then you should challenge some 19ers to prove your software wrong. If they are able or unable to refute your challenge, then your software will become really famous.


I just want to confirm what they say, impossible that anyone will count letters manually, and I found other Musims take what they say for granted, I wish that 19 thing was true, but I just cannot see it that way, I repect some of their ideas however

Also my mmodule is not only targetting the 19ers, rather all Muslims who claim that such word apeared so many times in the Quran

I do not want Muslims to promote cnjectures

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And as you tried word count of Yaum, you did not find 365, the reason might be because people count the Dual Words as 2 Days and some other reasons like that. Or could be the 365 word count theory is wrong, Which cannot be proved from this feature. Still there are many other uses of this "Browse Word Module"


It actually can be proved, as I started nocking down all those variations including Yamiza, and I ended up with 369, I could not knock down the last 4, trust me that if I managed to do it, I would have confirmed such allegation, again I wish it was true

QuranandScience wrote:

Last time I have given a bunch of feedback, I dint find those changes in new version except few. Did you already made those changes or you have plans to do it.


I have plans for it, including the export module overhaul

QuranandScience wrote:

Is it possible to include a feature which gives some description of each word like "Singular, Dual or Plural" , "masculine or Feminine". Because these are difficult to understand from English Translation. Just wondering if there is any logic in arabic language to find this or its without any logic.


that is a cool idea, it needs a lot of work though, but will consider it

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Hi Ahmed , I want two translation to be added in access quran.

1: Literal Translation 2: QXP Translation.

If its possible, then i will get you the excell files for this.
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