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Post subject: The numbers do not lie
Fathom wrote:
Both the Muslims and the Christians are believing in something that has never once been proven ever.
manfred wrote:
This is a very curious statement... If something has been proven, we usually call it "known"...
Also, what exactly constitutes a "proof" is also quite a topic.
manfred wrote:
For example, do you know that there is country called France or do you believe that? If you think about that for a second, you will find it is not such a stupid question as it first appears. In fact, if we abandoned belief of all sorts then we could not function in society.
manfred wrote:
I do make this consession: a religious belief must not be contrary to knowledge, i.e. a belief that can be proven to be manifestlly false must be abandoned.
manfred wrote:
By the way, did it ever occur to you that "atheism" really is also no more than a belief? An atheist believes there is no God, but s/he does not know so.
Hello mate
And that is exactly the stupidity and foolishness of the so called atheists, let me confirm it to you, they call it Pascal Wager, but I do not give a damn about or how they call it, for me the numbers do not lie
Despite me and you follow different religions, yet we may be grouped in one group against those who believe in no god, the subject of this comment is not which religion is more possible, yours, mine or else, rather, that your religion confirms that there will be severe punishment in the hereafter for those who believed in no god, same as my religion, same as most major religions on earth with the exception of atheism, atheism must be considered a belief too, exactly as you said, so the subject of this comment is to study the chances of me and you as one group of god fearing believers against the atheists who fear no god, we may discuss later the subject of which religion has the highest possibility to be the right one, I can discuss it with you when I meet you in London inshaallah, which I think will be great to discuss religions face to face
We can classify all people under two categries:
1) Believers in God
2) Unbelievers in God
The two groups above must have equal chance of being right:
1) The believers (50%)
2) The unbelievers (50%)
Logically speaking, you and me belong to group 1 and Fathom belongs to group 2
If the 50% possibility of non god existence is true then:
-> You and me: Lost nothing and won nothing
-> Fathom: Lost Nothing, and won nothing
I.e. all three of us are safe.
If the 50% possibility of god existence is true then:
You and me: Lost nothing
Fathom: Lost everything
I.e. Fathom will not be safe while you and me has a chance to be safe and even be winners
Here you have it, the numbers do not lie, Fathom will always have a chance up to 50% to be doomed while both of us do not have such chance (remember that this comment is not about which religion of ours is more possible to be right)
The important point is this, it is Fathom who will put himself in that possible and very tough situation, i.e. till the moment of his natural death he should always be worried about that because he heard the message of both religions of ours and is proud to reject both of them, see, he chose to reject the god and take the 50% very risky gamble.
As I said, the fair percentages of god existence must be 50:50 however even if it 90:10
I.e. 90% there is no god and 10% there is a God
Fathom still incurs 10% chance to be a loser while we do not, therefore Fathom chances after life is far worse than ours, again, the numbers do not lie
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